September 21, 2009

Ramadan '09

Re: Muslim FASTING

An Idiot Guide to Ramadan
http://www.bbc.co.uk/birmingham/content/articles/2005/09/27/idiots_guide_to_rama\
dhan_faith_feature.shtml

AP- Muslims find new Ramadan fast partners: Christians
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i_eVypKpB1pgxRFGuwI-ZAKCOxWQD9\
APUMD80

whyislam.org

I opted to fast as well, because I wanted to help them get more sponsors for the
feed the hungry effort. I am always down to help fellow students meet their
goals.

Anyhow, I also went looking for more information on what I was doing, I had a
vague idea from an experience years ago, but needed a brush up. I started at the
Muslim student table and picked up a few pamphlets and then went online.

There is, of course, tons of stuff but the above three are my favorite. The Why
Islam site is from the pamphlets and the article I thought was a good example of
what we are supposed to be doing in this class: opening up and being accepting
that other people have different ways of living their lives.

All Love,
Kiva



--- In religiousdiversity2@yahoogroups.com, "kjballew" wrote:
>
> I opted to fast on THURSDAY, Sept 17 in honor of the Muslim student Union on
campus, and their goal of getting sponserships for Heritage day. I consider
myself Christian, or some variation of the sort. My best friend in the entire
world is Muslim. Growing up with her, I never understood wy she couldn't come to
church with me, or why her family followed certain rituals that mine did not. As
we got older, i started asking questions, becuase i wanted to learn more about
her religion/ culture. Recently, i have aquired a few more friends who were
traveling the U.S from Turkey, Germany and Saudi Arabia. This month, they have
all been fasting. It interupted my birthday plans last week becuase none of them
could hang out, or eat when I was. and when they could eat, i wasnt hungry. It
was more annoyign than anything. Then we had the two girls visit our class and
ask us to pledge to fast on one day. I decided that it was for a good cause, and
it was only one day, so why not. It couldnt have been too difficult, and i would
eliminate some unecessary calories while i was at it. I did not realize how
difficult it was actaully going to be. I contacted my muslim friends and told
them about the pledge i had made. It made them very proud of me, and they felt a
new respect for our relationship. I woke up at 4 am to eat a huge bowl of
cereal, drink water, and take my allergy medication. Then from my 8 am class all
the way till 646pm, i couldnt have any water, food, gum or anything. As the pain
in my body started to grow, i had to keep reminding myself it was for a good
cause. Granted, i COULD have ate and no one would have known. But i would know.
and this is a religious diversity class- GOD WOULD KNOW. so i kept to the
pledge. It was one of the most difficult things ive done in a long time. it was
exhausting, painful, and annoying. the second the clock turned 647, i ate, and
ate like a pig. then passed out. I woke up to all kinds of calls and text
messages from my muslim friends congratualting me, and showing their support. I
did not realize how difficult RAMADAN must be for them, and how it makes you
feel like part of a community to do something like that. In america, they are
kind of outsiders. So what did i learn? Fasting is difficult. It takes more self
control than i have. It interupts daily life. But fasting with a group of
friends with a common goal, makes you feel like you are apart of something
greater than yourself- a community. It was a great experience, and even though i
probably wont be making a habit of denying myself nutrients, I felt good about
honoring my muslim friends. Out of respect for them, I was "hungry for a
change."

Damn Crazies

Re: clinton is the last satan, ...... Umm, does this worry any one else

Umm, I'm afraid if you keep posting these things some one is going to have to
report you to federal officials.

No threats here, please. We are just students trying to make it through school.
We happen to live here, at least for the moment, and would appreciate it if you
would not destroy the country and to leave our leaders be, they have enough to
deal with.

Your beliefs are welcome, we'll be glad to hear you out, but just lay off the
threats... maybe we can talk this out.

I wouldn't take the words in those scriptures too literal, and really, if you
are hearing "god" say to kill or destroy.... we should take a closer look at
that.

All Love,
Kiva


--- In religiousdiversity2@yahoogroups.com, "Miryam Shoshan Yosef"
wrote:
>
> clinton is the last satan, possessed, in the world in the last days (
> Please forward)
>
>
>
>
> I am called by HaShem of Israel - my Father GOD, the Most High, and the
> Son of GOD, the Messiah of Israel - my LORD Yeshua to convey GOD's Words
> to people in the last days. I have proof, the visible Sign of HOLY
> SPIRIT like a Light Dove on my forehead, and the Sign of Light Cross on
> my face.
>
> It is no wonder Obama demotes the Jews and in his speech there has been
> the scenes of the fiercest anti-Israel, etc. For the reason, in fact,
> satan-possessed clinton pretends, practises deception, division,
> corruption, and the evil spirit of clinton enters Obama's body and
> mind. Evil spirits and demons control those whom they enter, to affect
> their minds, bodies, actions, illusions and speaking. Our Almighty GOD
> of Israel told me and confirmed to me that clinton is the last satan,
> possessed, in the world in the last days; and, clinton commits
> fornication with his daughter; their mouths are full of blasphemy and
> dirtiness. clinton, hillary and their evil family must be nailed into
> crosses.
>
> GOD revealed to me HIS words at Zephaniah 1: 2-3 that " I will utterly
> consume everything from the face of the earth, I will consume humans and
> beasts; I will consume the birds of the air and the fish of the sea, and
> the stumbling blocks with the wicked. I will cut off humankind from the
> face of the earth."
>
> Our Father GOD and Our LORD are at work. It is revealed to me what must
> soon take place in the last days. GOD will do what He has said in His
> time. Now it is the end time of last days, satan and all evil spirits
> and devils will be destroyed completely by our Almighty GOD.
>
> The death time of lucifer and united states and clinton is come. GOD
> said: " Kill clinton , Destroy united states !" That the matter has been
> firmly decided by GOD and GOD will do it soon. And, GOD said I will
> bless those who bless Abraham and I will curse those who curse Abraham.
> So its downfall for a country which go against Israel .
>
> These are what I am told and confirmed from my Father GOD of Israel and
> my LORD of Israel .
>
> This is my ministry to tell people the true from Our Holy, Heavenly
> Father GOD of Israel and Our LORD of Israel .
>
> Sha'alu (Pray) for the Shalom ( Peace ) of Jerusalem and all of Israel!
>
> ( Please forward)
>
>

Poisoning Cats

Re: Cat In Poisonous Box

I think "chance" might be Lane's euphemistic way of saying that religion is all
in our heads. When I looked at the Wikipedia article posted something caught my
eye... In the ORIGIN AND MOTIVATION section it said that Schrodinger intended
this cat thing to be a "thought experiment" to evoke discussion about an article
by Einstein, Podolsky and Rosen that talked about quantum superpositions; the
combination of all possibilities of something.

So I clicked on the link to that entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_superposition

Here is the opening sentence:
"Quantum superposition is the fundamental law of quantum mechanics. It defines
the collection of all possible states that an object can have."

And here is the article's easy explanation ( yea right )
Superposition principle:
"The principle of superposition states that if the world can be in any
configuration, any possible arrangement of particles or fields, and if the world
could also be in another configuration, then the world can also be in a state
which is a superposition of the two, where the amount of each configuration that
is in the superposition is specified by a complex number."

What it says to me is that until you actually KNOW what something is (is the cat
alive or dead?) all about what you think it is (I don't know, but I think I
heard the glass break so the poison must be out and the cat must be dead.) and
the person next to you may think it is something different (No, I didn't hear
glass breaking, so I think the cat is still alive.)

Until you open that box and look neither of you know if the cat is alive. Yes,
there is a 50/50 chance, but this is not so much about probability as it is
about certainty and until you open that box no one is truly certain.

Apply this to religion it's the same thing, but you can't just open up a box to
look. Figuratively, that entity responsible for human kind is what is in that
box. Instead of just two possibilities there are hundreds, all attached to some
very passionate people who feel like they need answers, something to believe in,
hold on to.

I mean, these scientists, geniuses really, felt the need to do experiments,
write papers and create formulas about uncertainty. Really, just skim those
articles and some of the links. They couldn't just settle for that they really
don't know. That is what uncertainty is, after all.

And the truth of religion is that none of us know.

All Love,
Kiva





--- In religiousdiversity2@yahoogroups.com, "caitlinstevens8"
wrote:
>
>
> After Monday's lecture the thing that stuck out in my mind the most was the
picture of the cat in the box with the poison and pop rocks that Dr. Lane
created on the board. I researched this topic on a few websites and this is
what I came up with.
>
> The original experiment was done by Erwin Schr�dinger in 1935. This idea
was created to illustrate that Copenhagen's interpretation of quantum mechanics
is incorrect. The experiment was to demonstrate that whether the cat lives or
dies is due to random chance (50/50). It was used as a model to inform everyday
people how quantum mechanics works. Copenhagen tries to explain that the cat is
both alive and dead until something happens or the box is opened. Schrodinger
says that the cat is either alive or dead, not both at the same time. This
experiment wasn't used as a joke or to torture cats, but to show the randomness
of quantum mechanics and physics.
>
> Wikipedia is always a good way to find information about a particular topic,
and it did not fail me when I researched Schrodinger's experiment.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger's_cat
>
> The other website that I looked at was actually quite funny. It shows that
the poison in the box was useless because the cat would not be able to breath
after a period of time. This is because the box would eventually run out of
oxygen, therefore not giving enough air for the cat to breathe. This isn't what
the model represents but I thought it was an interesting interpretation.
>
> http://www.messybeast.com/moggycat/schrodinger.htm
>
> I think Dr. Lane presented this topic in class because he wanted to emphasize
the fact that the world revolves around chance. Any situation could happen for
any given reason. I think this will later relate to studying religion because
each of the different religions were created by chance and where people were
positioned in the world. This experiment also shows that every person has there
own opinion or idea about how something works, and religion is also run in a
similar aspect. Every person has there own idea about a higher power and how it
relates to their life.
>
Re: ANGRY WITH GOD? NEVER!

What ever happened to going and getting what you want? The idea that you could
get mad at some being that you've never seen, spoke to or even received an
e-mail from it crazy to me.

praying to a god and hoping they will grant what you wish... what about working
to get what you want? Even if you carry a Christian faith on your shoulder isn't
there a passage somewhere that says "god helps those who help themselves"? That
says something to me. This Christianity faith wants you to work as well as pray
for what you want.

What?!?! Work for it!!!

Yes, work for it. And guess what. This is the real world with billions of people
in it. Chances are there are at least a few hundred people asking and working
for the same thing you are... and in most cases not every one of them can have
it. So someone loses out.

It's not that some god didn't give it to you... It's not necessarily that you
didn't work hard enough... It's just that it wasn't your turn. You weren't in
the right place at the right time. What ever the case may have been... it was
CHANCE.

That said, I'm not saying don't pray, but rather redirect the focus of prayer.
Use it as a meditation, a time to focus and refine your wish rather than a
request for maintenance form that you drop in some higher power's mail box that
you hope they'll get to sometime soon.




--- In religiousdiversity2@yahoogroups.com, Bayo Afolaranmi
wrote:
>
>
> Dear Beloved,
> ANGRY WITH GOD? NEVER!
> "Though the fig tree does not bud and there are no grapes on the vines, though
the olive crop fails and the fields produce no food, though there are no sheep
in the pen and no cattle in the stalls, yet I will rejoice in the LORD, I will
be joyful in God my Savior. The Sovereign LORD is my strength; he makes my feet
like the feet of a deer, he enables me to go on the heights" (Habakkuk 3:17-19,
NIV).
> As I was coming out of the US embassy after the third consecutive visa
refusal, I was embittered. What really went wrong? Did I not pray enough? What
of the prayers and prophecies of hundreds of people towards the success of this
visa interview? What of my numerous fastings? Does God not answer prayers again?
Why did He deprive me of overseas trip for further studies these three times?
These thoughts were making me to be angry at life and with God. Is He still
worthy of my praises and worship? Then the words of Habakkuk came to my mind:
though God does not "answer" my prayers and there might be no visible evidence
of His care, yet I will praise Him!
> The book of Habakkuk portrays God as awesome, yet Habakkuk was complaining
about why the wicked prospered while the righteous suffered. It seemed God did
not acted as he had expected. Yet he concluded his prophecy with praises of God
because he knew that there was a benevolent God behind the seemingly unpleasant
circumstance. He would rather rejoice in the Lord than to be angry with Him.
> Job, in his anguish praised God. Why? He remembered in his pains that God's
purpose is always good. Hear him, "Though he slay me, yet will I hope in him…"
(Job 13:15, NIV); "I know that my Redeemer lives, and that in the end he will
stand upon the earth. And after my skin has been destroyed, yet in my flesh I
will see God…" (Job 19:25-26, NIV); and "But he knows the way that I take;
when he has tested me, I will come forth as gold" (Job 23:10, NIV).
> Have you been asking God to do something for you but He seems to be delaying
it? Are you thinking of abandoning your initial trust in Him because of this? Do
you doubt the worthiness of His praises and worship? Are you also at the point
of being angry with Him for this? Never think so!
> The psalmist boasted of God's care, "Even though I walk through the valley of
the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your
staff, they comfort me" (Psalm 23:4, NIV), and Solomon also said, "When calamity
comes, the wicked are brought down, but even in death the righteous have a
refuge" (Proverbs 14:32, NIV).
> God has a purpose in your pain. This purpose is always good. The grief may be
divinely arranged to re-examine our desires and reveal His better plan to us.
Turn your anxiety to Him. He will prove Himself to you. He is still God. He is
worthy of your trust and worship. Angry with God? Never!
> In His service,
> Bayo Afolaranmi (Pastor).
> NB
> This message was first posted on July 19, 2004.
>
> Bayo Afolaranmi (Pastor).
> +234 805 515 9591
> http://www.thewordthruthenet.org/
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>
> I eagerly expect and hope that I will in no way be ashamed, but will
> have sufficient courage so that now as always Christ will be exalted
> in my body, whether by life or by death. FOR TO ME, TO LIVE IS CHRIST
> AND TO DIE IS GAIN (Philippians 1:20-21, NIV).
>
>
This is going to be super long. I am old and just starting to use the internet
for more than communication and research, so I don't know how to attach this in
a better way. That Said, I did not find this on a website, per se. This is a
reading assigned this week for my Politics and Culture class: Karl Marx "The
German Ideology."

As I was reading I reflected a bit on what Lane said about the geography of
religion. While the subject in this article is really on politics, capitalism
and ruling parties, it seemed it could also be applied to religions of the
world.

This country uses religion as a tool quite a bit. Even though there is supposed
to be a separation of church and state, the law makers don't abide entirely to
this. Here, we are Christ-based (yes, I meant to make that a lower cased 'c')
and in developing this country and ruling it now, people tend to resort to that
ideology when stuck on what policies to pass through. How our country blends
capitalism and Christianity is super interesting to me. It is like a split
personality.

The U.S. is, of course, not the only country that rules with religion in it's
pocket. We see examples of this EVERYWHERE. So as you put on your sneakers and
walk across the globe, look for examples of the intertwining of the two.

I highlighted some sections that really stuck out to me, cause the
language is super, well..... blegh, but it wouldn't let me.

EnJoy


Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, from The German Ideology,
in Collected Works, vol.5 (Lawrence and Wishart, 1976),
J3J. 35—7,59—61

Karl Marx (1818—1883) was born into a middle class family in Trier in Germany
and educated in Bonn and Berlin. A radical journalist, he became a communist
from 1843, arguing for the central role of economic structure in understanding
politics and history. In The Manifesto of the Communist Party (1848), which he
wrote with Engels, he viewed history as a process of struggle among social
classes, which would culminate in the triumph of working class and the abolition
of capitalism. Exiled to London after the revolutions of 1848, he concentrated
his
intellectual efforts on political economy although only the first volume of his
principal study Capital (1867) was published in his lifetime. He had a leading
role in the International Working Men's Association, but only after his death.
did his theoretical ideas became central to working class parties in Europe.
Marx was invoked in support of a range of dictatorial communist movements in
Russia, China, and elsewhere in the twentieth century, usually with little
regard for niceties of what Marx actually thought.

Friedrich Engels (1820—1895) was born into a wealthy family of factory owners in
the Rhineland in Germany. He went to work for his family but was appalled at the
factory conditions that he encountered. He collaborated with Marx on The Holy
Family (1844), a scathing attack on German philosophy, and on subsequent works
up to Marx's move to England. After Marx's death, he became the literary
executor and interpreter of Marxism for the European Marxist political parties.
The German Ideology was posthumously published in 1932.

The fact is, therefore, that definite individuals who are productively active
in a definite way enter into these definite social and political relations.
Empirical observation must in each separate instance bring out empirically, and
without any mystification and speculation, the connection of the social and
political structure with production. The social structure and the state are
continually evolving out of the life-process of definite individuals, however,
of these individuals, not as they may appear in their own or other people's
imagination, but as they actually are, i.e., as they act, produce materially,
and hence as they work under definite material limits, presuppositions and
conditions independent of their will.
The production of ideas, of conceptions, of consciousness, is at first
directly interwoven
with the material activity and the material intercourse of men—the language of
real life.
Conceiving, thinking, the mental intercourse of men at this stage stifi appear
as the direct efflux of their material behaviour. The same applies to mental
productions expressed in the language of the politics, laws, morality; religion,
metaphysics, etc., of a people. Men are the producers of their conceptions,
ideas, etc., that is, real, active men, as they are conditioned by a definite
development of their productive forces and of the intercourse corresponding to
these, up to its furthest forms. Consciousness [das Bewusstsein] can never be
anything else than conscious being [das bewusste Semi,] and the being of men is
their actual life-process. If in all ideology men and their relations appear
upside-down as in a camera obscura, this phenomenon arises just as much from
their historical life-process as the inversion of objects on the retina does
from their physical life-process.
In direct contrast to German philosophy which descends from heaven to earth,
here it is a matter of ascending from earth to heaven. That is to say, not of
setting out from what men say, imagine, conceive, nor from men as narrated,
thought of, imagined, conceived, in order to arrive at men in the flesh; but
setting out from real, active men, and on the basis of their real life-process
demonstrating the development of the ideological reflexes and echoes of this
life-process. The phantoms formed in the brains of men are also, necessarily,
sublimates of their material life-process, which is empirically verifiable and
bound to material premises. Morality; religion, metaphysics, and all the rest of
ideology as well as the forms of consciousness corresponding to these, thus no
longer retain the semblance of independence. They have no history; no
development; but men, developing their material production and their material
intercourse, alter, along with this their actual world, also their thinking and
the products of their thinking. It is not consciousness that determines life,
but life that determines consciousness. For the first manner of approach the
starting-point is consciousness taken as the living individual; for the second
manner of approach, which conforms to real life, it is the real living
individuals themselves, and consciousness is considered solely as their
consciousness.
This manner of approach is not devoid of premises. It starts out from the
real premises and does not abandon them for a moment. Its premises are men, not
in any fantastic isolation and fIexity, but in their actual, empirically
perceptible process of development under definite conditions. As soon as this
active life-process is described, history ceases to be a collection of dead
facts, as it is with the empiricists (themselves stifi abstract),or an imagined
activity of imagined subjects, as with the idealists.
Where speculation ends, where real life starts, there consequently begins
real, positive science, the expounding of the practical activity, of the
practical process of development of men. Empty phrases about consciousness end,
and real knowledge has to take their
place. When the reality is described, a self-sufficient philosophy [die
selbstandige Philosoptie] loses its medium of existence. At the best its place
can only be taken by a summing up of the most general results, abstractions
which are derived from the observation of the historical development of men.
These abstractions in themselves, divorced from real history, have no value
whatsoever. They can only serve to facilitate the arrangement of historical
material, to indicate the sequence of its separate strata. But they by no means
afford a recipe or schema, as does philosophy, for neatly trimming the epochs of
history.
On the contrary, the difficulties begin only when one sets about the
examination and arrangement of the material—whether of a past epoch or of the
present—and its actual presentation. The removal of these difficulties is
governed by premises which certainly cannot be stated here, but which only the
study of the actual life-process and the activity of the individuals of each
epoch will make evident.
The ideas of the ruling class are in every epoch the ruling ideas: i.e., the
class which is the ruling material force of society is at the same time its
ruling intellectual force. The class which has the means of material production
at its disposal, consequently also controls the means of mental production, so
that the ideas of those who lack the means of mental production are on the whole
subject to it. The ruling ideas are nothing more than the ideal expression of
the dominant material relations, the dominant material relations
grasped as ideas; hence of the relations which make the one class the ruling
one, therefore, the ideas of its dominance. The individuals composing the ruling
class possess among other things consciousness, and therefore think. In so far,
therefore, as they rule as a class and determine the extent and compass of an
historical epoch, it is self-evident that they do this in its whole range, hence
among other things rule also as thinkers, as producers of ideas, and regulate
the production and distribution of the ideas of their age: thus their ideas are
the ruling ideas of the epoch. For instance, in an age and in a country where
royal power, aristocracy and bourgeoisie are contending for domination and
where, therefore, domination is shared, the doctrine of the separation of powers
proves to be the dominant idea and is expressed as an "eternal law".
The division of labour, which we already saw above… as one of the chief forces
of history up till now, manifests itself also in the ruling class as the
division of mental and material labour, so that inside this class one part
appears as the thinkers of the class (its active, conceptive ideologists, who
make the formation of the illusions of the class about itself their chief source
of livelihood), while the others' attitude to these ideas and effusions is more
passive and receptive, because they are in reality the active members of this
class and have less time to make up effusions and ideas about themselves. Within
this class this cleavage can even develop into a certain opposition and
hostility between the two parts, but whenever a practical coffision occurs in
which the class itself is endangered they automatically vanish, in which case
there also vanishes the appearance of the ruling ideas being not the ideas of
the ruling class and having a power distinct from the power of this class. The
existence of revolutionary ideas in a particular period presupposes the
existence of a revolutionary class; about the premises of the latter sufficient
has already been said above...

If now in considering the course of history we detach the ideas of the ruling
class from the ruling class itself and attribute to them an independent
existence, if we confine ourselves to saying that these or those ideas were
dominant at a given time, without bothering ourselves about the conditions of
production and the producers of these ideas, if we thus ignore the individuals
and world conditions which are the source of the ideas, then we can say, for
instance, that during the time the aristocracy was dominant, the concepts
honour, loyalty; etc., were dominant, during the dominance of the bourgeoisie
the concepts freedom, equality, etc. The ruling class itself on the whole
imagines this to be so.

This conception of history, which is common to all historians, particularly
since the eighteenth century, which necessarily come up against the phenomenon
that ever more abstract ideas hold sway, i.e., ideas which increasingly take on
the form of universality.

For each new class which puts itself in the place of one ruling before it is
compelled, merely in order to carry through its aim, to present its interest as
the common interest of
all the members of society, that is, expressed in ideal form: it has to give its
ideas the form of universality, and present them as the only rational,
universally valid ones. The class making a revolution comes forward from the
very start, if only because it is opposed to a class, not as a class but as the
representative of the whole of society, as the whole mass of society confronting
the one ruling class. It can do this because initially its interest really is as
yet mostly connected with the common interest of all other non-ruling classes,
because under the pressure of hitherto existing conditions its interest has not
yet been able to develop as the particular interest of a particular class. Its
victory, therefore, benefits also many individuals of other classes which are
not winning a dominant position, but only insofar as it now enables these
individuals to raise themselves into the ruling class. When the French
bourgeoisie overthrew the rule of the aristocracy, it thereby made it possible
for many proletarians to raise themselves above the proletariat, but only
insofar as they became bourgeois. Every new class, therefore, achieves
domination only on a broader basis than that of the class ruling previously; on
the other hand the opposition of the non-ruling class to the new ruling class
then develops all the more sharply and profoundity. Both these things determine
the fact that the struggle to be waged against this new ruling class, in its
turn, has as its aim a more decisive and more radical negation of the previous
conditions of society than all previous classes which sought to rule could have.
This whole appearance, that the rule of a certain class is only the rule of
certain ideas, comes to a natural end, of course, as soon as class rule in
general ceases to be the form in which society is organised, that is to say, as
soon as it is no longer necessary to represent a particular interest as general
or the "general interest" as ruling.